Jimmy Carter: ‘The White House Is Trying To Stonewall’ | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC


GET MORE OUT OF HABITAT THAN WE PUT INTO IT. PUT INTO IT.>>SPEAKING OF SURVIVING THE>>SPEAKING OF SURVIVING THE WHITE HOUSE, AS YOU JUST WHITE HOUSE, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, YOU RECENTLY SAID, I MENTIONED, YOU RECENTLY SAID, I HOPE THERE’S AN AGE LIMIT ON HOPE THERE’S AN AGE LIMIT ON RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE JUST 80 YEARS OLD, IF I WAS 15 JUST 80 YEARS OLD, IF I WAS 15 YEARS YOUNGER, I DON’T BELIEVE YEARS YOUNGER, I DON’T BELIEVE THAT I COULD UNDERTAKE THE THAT I COULD UNDERTAKE THE DUTIES THAT I EXPERIENCED DUTIES THAT I EXPERIENCED WHENIVESWHEN WHENIVESWHEN IVESI IVESI WAS PRESIDENT. WAS PRESIDENT. EXPLAIN, BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE EXPLAIN, BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE CANDIDATES, ONE IS 70, ELIZABETH CANDIDATES, ONE IS 70, ELIZABETH WARREN, AND OF COURSE BERNIE WARREN, AND OF COURSE BERNIE SANDERS IS 78, JUST HAD A HEART SANDERS IS 78, JUST HAD A HEART ATTACK, JOE BIDEN IS 76. ATTACK, JOE BIDEN IS 76. WHY DO YOU THINK 80 IS TOO OLD WHY DO YOU THINK 80 IS TOO OLD TO BE PRESIDENT? TO BE PRESIDENT?>>I DON’T THINK THEY ARE TOO>>I DON’T THINK THEY ARE TOO OLD. OLD. I DIDN’T REFER TO ANYBODY IN I DIDN’T REFER TO ANYBODY IN SPECIFIC TERMS. SPECIFIC TERMS. BUT I THINK IF I WAS ALREADY 80 BUT I THINK IF I WAS ALREADY 80 AND WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, I AND WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, I DON’T THINK I WOULD HAVE A DON’T THINK I WOULD HAVE A FLEXIBLE ENOUGH MIND OR ATTITUDE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH MIND OR ATTITUDE TO DEAL WITH THE MULTIPLE ISSUES TO DEAL WITH THE MULTIPLE ISSUES A PRESIDENT HAS TO CONFRONT. A PRESIDENT HAS TO CONFRONT. HARRY TRUMAN’S SIGN ON THE DOOR, HARRY TRUMAN’S SIGN ON THE DOOR, THE BUCK STOPS HERE, AND WITH THE BUCK STOPS HERE, AND WITH ANYBODY AT A LOWER LEVEL, ANYBODY AT A LOWER LEVEL, GOVERNORS AND SO FORTH, WHO GOVERNORS AND SO FORTH, WHO WOUND UP IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THE WOUND UP IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THE PRESIDENT NEEDS A LOT OF PRESIDENT NEEDS A LOT OF JUDGMENT AND FLEXIBILITY, A LOT JUDGMENT AND FLEXIBILITY, A LOT OF ABILITY TO LOOK AT TWO SIDES OF ABILITY TO LOOK AT TWO SIDES OF AN ISSUE, TO COME OUT WITH OF AN ISSUE, TO COME OUT WITH THE BEST SOLUTION. THE BEST SOLUTION. SO I JUST DON’T THINK IF I WERE SO I JUST DON’T THINK IF I WERE 80 YEARS OLD I COULD STILL DO 80 YEARS OLD I COULD STILL DO THE JOB. THE JOB.>>YOU FAMOUSLY SAID –>>YOU FAMOUSLY SAID –>>I’M NOT CRITICIZING ANYBODY>>I’M NOT CRITICIZING ANYBODY THAT’S RUNNING NOW, OF COURSE. THAT’S RUNNING NOW, OF COURSE.>>UNDERSTOOD.>>UNDERSTOOD. YOU FAMOUSLY SAID BACK IN THE YOU FAMOUSLY SAID BACK IN THE DAY, YOU KNOW, I’LL NEVER LIE TO DAY, YOU KNOW, I’LL NEVER LIE TO YOU WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING FOR YOU WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. WE’RE NOW FOR THE THIRD TIME IN WE’RE NOW FOR THE THIRD TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY HAVING AN AMERICAN HISTORY HAVING AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHETHER THAT IS A GOOD THING OR WHETHER THAT IS A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING? A BAD THING?>>I THINK IT STILL REMAINS TO>>I THINK IT STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN. BE SEEN. DEPENDING ON WHAT’S REVEALED IN DEPENDING ON WHAT’S REVEALED IN AN INQUIRY. AN INQUIRY. I’M A DEMOCRAT SO I FEEL PRETTY I’M A DEMOCRAT SO I FEEL PRETTY MUCH LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUCH LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOES, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW. DOES, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW. BUT I THINK WE STILL NEED TO BUT I THINK WE STILL NEED TO ASCERTAIN THE FACTS FROM THE ASCERTAIN THE FACTS FROM THE VERY THOROUGH VERY THOROUGH I’M VERY GLAD THAT THE SPEAKER I’M VERY GLAD THAT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE HAS ORDAINED THAT OF THE HOUSE HAS ORDAINED THAT THE INVESTIGATION GO FORWARD. THE INVESTIGATION GO FORWARD. AND THEN DECIDE I GUESS WITH THE AND THEN DECIDE I GUESS WITH THE WHOLE HOUSE VOTING ON IT WHETHER WHOLE HOUSE VOTING ON IT WHETHER OR NOT TO PROCEED WITH THE OR NOT TO PROCEED WITH THE ACTUAL IMPEACHMENT OF THE ACTUAL IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT, WHICH IS DONE IN PRESIDENT, WHICH IS DONE IN CONGRESS AS YOU KNOW AND HOUSE CONGRESS AS YOU KNOW AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. OF REPRESENTATIVES. AND THEN THE SENATE I THINK IS AND THEN THE SENATE I THINK IS VERY UNLIKELY TO CONFIRM AND TO VERY UNLIKELY TO CONFIRM AND TO ACTUALLY REMOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP ACTUALLY REMOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP FROM OFFICE. FROM OFFICE. BUT IF FACTS REVEAL INCREASING BUT IF FACTS REVEAL INCREASING NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HE HAS NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HE HAS ACTUALLY DONE, THEN OF COURSE ACTUALLY DONE, THEN OF COURSE IMPEACHMENT IS POSSIBLE AND IMPEACHMENT IS POSSIBLE AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE IS POSSIBLE. REMOVAL FROM OFFICE IS POSSIBLE.>>AND DID YOU THINK THAT THE>>AND DID YOU THINK THAT THE WHITE HOUSE AND STATE DEPARTMENT WHITE HOUSE AND STATE DEPARTMENT ARE RIGHT TO BE BLOCKING PEOPLE ARE RIGHT TO BE BLOCKING PEOPLE FROM TESTIFYING, PREVENTING THE FROM TESTIFYING, PREVENTING THE FACTS FROM COMING OUT? FACTS FROM COMING OUT?>>NO.>>NO. I THINK THAT IS A DEPARTURE FROM I THINK THAT IS A DEPARTURE FROM CUSTOM AND DEPARTURE FROM WHAT CUSTOM AND DEPARTURE FROM WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT AND I THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT AND I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT AMERICANS ARE NOW THINGS THAT AMERICANS ARE NOW CONSIDERING, THE FACT THAT THE CONSIDERING, THE FACT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS TRYING TO WHITE HOUSE IS TRYING TO STONEWALL AND NOT PROVIDE STONEWALL AND NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE INFORMATION ON WHICH TO ADEQUATE INFORMATION ON WHICH TO BASE A GOOD CASE TO BE MADE BASE A GOOD CASE TO BE MADE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST PRESIDENT EITHER FOR OR AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. SO I THINK THAT THAT IN ITSELF SO I THINK THAT THAT IN ITSELF IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER EVIDENCE, IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER EVIDENCE, ANOTHER ITEM OF EVIDENCE, THAT ANOTHER ITEM OF EVIDENCE, THAT CAN BE USED AGAINST HIM IF HE CAN BE USED AGAINST HIM IF HE CONTINUES TO STONEWALL AND CONTINUES TO STONEWALL AND PREVENT THE EVIDENCE TO BE PREVENT THE EVIDENCE TO BE PUTTED FOR TO THE HOUSE OF PUTTED FOR TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. REPRESENTATIVES. AND THE SENATE TO CONSIDER. AND THE SENATE TO CONSIDER.>>AND FINALLY ANY ADVICE FOR>>AND FINALLY ANY ADVICE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP GOING THROUGH PRESIDENT TRUMP GOING THROUGH THIS? THIS?>>MY ADVICE TO HIM WOULD BE TO>>MY ADVICE TO HIM WOULD BE TO TELL THE TRUTH I THINK FOR A TELL THE TRUTH I THINK FOR A CHANGE AND ALSO TO CUT BACK ON CHANGE AND ALSO TO CUT BACK ON HIS TWITTER FEEDS AND GIVE THE HIS TWITTER FEEDS AND GIVE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND ALSO THE SENATE AND I SAY THE ALSO THE SENATE AND I SAY THE GENERAL PUBLIC THE EVIDENCE THAT GENERAL PUBLIC THE EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO FORM A CASE EITHER WE NEED TO FORM A CASE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST HIM. FOR OR AGAINST HIM.>>WELL, PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER,>>WELL, PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER, ROSALYNN CARTER, JONATHAN, ROSALYNN CARTER, JONATHAN, THANKS TO YOU. THANKS TO YOU. OUR TRIBUTE TO OF COURSE HABITAT OUR TRIBUTE TO OF COURSE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. FOR HUMANITY. AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.RADITI AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.RADITI JOINING US, IT IS A GREAT HONOR. JOINING US, IT IS A GREAT HONOR.>>IT IS A VERY FINE BOOK AND>>IT IS A VERY FINE BOOK AND WHAT HABITAT REALLY IS. WHAT HABITAT REALLY IS.>>THANKS FOR HAVING US ON.>>THANKS FOR HAVING US ON.>>AND OUR BEST TO MRS. CARTER.